{"id":3080,"date":"2023-11-26T20:27:54","date_gmt":"2023-11-26T20:27:54","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/nicewaistcoat.com\/wordpress\/?page_id=3080"},"modified":"2023-11-28T22:47:39","modified_gmt":"2023-11-28T22:47:39","slug":"no-not-poetry-at-all-thoughts-on-judging-contests","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"http:\/\/nicewaistcoat.com\/wordpress\/n-poems\/no-not-poetry-at-all-thoughts-on-judging-contests\/","title":{"rendered":"NO!!! -Not poetry at all, thoughts on judging contests-"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> NO!!! (Not poetry at all, thoughts on judging contests)<br \/>\nby cricketjeff on August 3, 2008.\u00a0 \u00a9 Jeff Green, All rights reserved<br \/>\nI cannot agree with the premise! Some of your list seem good and universally<br \/>\napplicable but none apply universally to all contests, few apply even to a<br \/>\nmajority. Poetry is not engineering you cannot take 8 parts poetic devices and<br \/>\nstir in 2 ounces of brevity and a foot and a half of balance. It is important<br \/>\nto consider all these things but they do not make poetry. For any given contest<br \/>\nI am judging I set my own criteria. If the contest calls for not more than 100<br \/>\nwords, I probably allow 110ish but would lean towards someone who obeyed the<br \/>\nrules, however if a truly great poem had 120 it may win. If I asked for poems<br \/>\non mountains Shakespeare might win talking of a hill. So my list of criteria<br \/>\nmay go<\/p>\n<p>Is it a great poem?<br \/>\nCan I justify it meeting the contest rules in some way?<\/p>\n<p>Now I take all the poems that meet my criteria and judge them against each<br \/>\nother.<\/p>\n<p>However you gave a list so let us work through them<\/p>\n<p>adherence to a contest prompt:- clearly this can be important if the contest is<br \/>\nset to get poems on a subject it matters, but in other contests the theme is<br \/>\nset just as a way of watering the flower of creativity. Before I can rank this<br \/>\nin importance I need to know the contest!<\/p>\n<p>vivid imagery;- can be marvellous but must a good poem have vivid imagery? Or<br \/>\nindeed any imagery at all? I do not believe it is essential.<\/p>\n<p>clear meaning;- I give you Jabberwocky!!! I think that trumps that quality!<\/p>\n<p>mechanics \u2013 grammar, spelling, tense\/person agreement, etc.;- NO! can matter a<br \/>\nlot but Bill Shakespeare managed to ignore all the rules!<\/p>\n<p>the balance between being obvious and obscure;- need there be a balance? There<br \/>\nare perfectly beautiful poems that are exact descriptions of a scene and as<br \/>\nobvious as you like and there are poems that are an abstract riot. I cannot<br \/>\npossibly rank this item.<\/p>\n<p>brevity;- You mean Paradise lost isn&#8217;t a good poem? Haiku are brief, heroic<br \/>\nodes can be long, not a quality I can judge by I am afraid<\/p>\n<p>emotional intensity;- Usually helps a poem but again does it have to be there?<br \/>\nNo.<\/p>\n<p>Whether it breaks\/adheres to traditional form (if it\u2019s a form poem) or is a<br \/>\nnewly introduced hybrid form well this matters if you are setting a form<br \/>\ncontest but if a poem sounds better with an acephalic line or with an<br \/>\nanapaestic foot creeping in unannounced I say blow the form and go with what<br \/>\nsounds best (That is very often the correct form but not always)<\/p>\n<p>freshness (i.e. not-clich\u00e9);- we have had this before! If it sounds beautiful<br \/>\nwho cares that you rhymed June with moon and tune, it is hard to make cliches<br \/>\nsound good, but a good enough poet will do it<\/p>\n<p>poetic device;- If they sound good great if they sound bad get rid of them<\/p>\n<p>Now of course you have to judge my efforts!!!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>NO!!! (Not poetry at all, thoughts on judging contests) by cricketjeff on August 3, 2008.\u00a0 \u00a9 Jeff Green, All rights reserved I cannot agree with the premise! Some of your list seem good and universally applicable but none apply universally to all contests, few apply even to a majority. Poetry is not engineering you cannot [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"parent":9730,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"footnotes":""},"class_list":["post-3080","page","type-page","status-publish","hentry"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/nicewaistcoat.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages\/3080","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/nicewaistcoat.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/nicewaistcoat.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/page"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/nicewaistcoat.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/nicewaistcoat.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=3080"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"http:\/\/nicewaistcoat.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages\/3080\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":8428,"href":"http:\/\/nicewaistcoat.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages\/3080\/revisions\/8428"}],"up":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/nicewaistcoat.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages\/9730"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/nicewaistcoat.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=3080"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}